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A lot of drafts to tweak and publish

I believe there was an education or WP:GLAM project relating to Korean literature. They generated a lot of draft articles, many of which were unfairly (in my opinion) declined. I have accepted a significant number of them already, and there are more to check over and tweak/approve as appropriate. Please have a look at the following drafts to improve/accept them (or possibly in rare cases determine they aren't worthy of articles -- I doubt this often applies):

Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:48, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

There are also a few more drafts that are trickier; they were declined as duplicating existing content, but I don't know if the myths themselves deserve separate articles. They are as follows:

Thanks again, Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Reviews by Piotrus

@Calliopejen1: You are right, many of them should have been published.

I have reviewed Draft:Yu Sun-ha. The reviewer, User:SamHolt6 , published a helpful rationale for decline, noting that many sources are hard to verify. This is true - up to a point. I was able to verify one ([1]) and I have no reason to expect the rest would be hoaxes. The problem is that the creator did a cardinal sin of murderinzg the references by 1) translating them to English and 2) not providing original Korean name nor links. So of course attemtping to verify whether a reference "Kim, Pyo-hyang. “Baboaje by Yu Sun-ha Wins EBS Radio Literary Award.” Chosun Ilbo, December 11, 2013" exists is hard, as a google search for it procudes nothing but Wikipedia mirrors, since google doesn't understand that is Kim, Pyo-hyang is 김표향 or 'Baboaje by Yu Sun-ha Wins EBS Radio Literary Award' is 유순하 작가 '바보아재', EBS 라디오 문학상 대상 수상 and so on. Pretty much all the refs used are Korean, and they need to re-Koreanized (and linked). If some are offline, like the newspapers from the 80s, this is... very challenging. Unfortunately, my Korean is only rudimentary and fixing all the references would be very time consuming, but if most other drafts have the same problem, well, it is fixable, and the topics appear to be notable, and I support mainspaciong them promptly. I would do it myself but I find draft-related procedures arcane so I am afraid to tackle them (outside just deleting all the draft code and moving the article 'the normal way'). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:13, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Continuing, I have reviewed Draft:Yoo Juhyun today. The article is badly formatted, but he seems to have biographical articles in severla Korean encyclopedias (linked in the article). He is therefore obviously notable, and the article, while badly written, would not be deleted per WP:TNT if it was created in the mainspace. It should be moved to mainspace and left there until someone fixes it. It is still informative (just underlinked and with bad citation style). (It was declined by User:KartikeyaS343 for unreliable sources, which is bizarre, as the article clearly cites books, encyclopedia and reliable newspapers, all just badly formatted). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Also reviewed Draft:Yeom Seungsuk. Identical case as above, this one was declined by User:Whispering for not using footnotes. Again, if it was mainspaced it would not be an issue. I am increasingly coming to believe the Draft system is resulting in a net loss of a lot of valuable content. It would take 5 minutes to add references here, and clerly writing this article took someone much longer (and the topic is clearly notable).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Continuing. Draft:Woodblock commercial publication in Korea is the worst so far, it cites a reliable encyclopedia but has no inline references and it is not clear if the content is adaquately supported by the references. As such, I cannot criticize User:Sulfurboy, who rejected in the ground of insufficient RS. This could be rescuable, as it is informative, but it should be referenced better. Of course, if it was submitted to the mainspace, would it be AfDed? Would it be deleted? Hard to be sure. I do think that by deleting this we will loose helpful and likely correct information, on the other hand, I do agree that we need to enforce higher standards than a decade ago. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Draft:The Black Leaf in My Mouth declined by User:Sulfurboy as "not adequately supported by reliable sources". I really don't understand this. Every paragraph is referenced. Referenced are mostly reliable (one reference is to Korean Wikipedia, but others appear referenced to Korean newspapers, encyclopedias, databases or books). Many references suffer from the problem of having their titles transcribed or translated instead of retaining the original Korean title, and ISBNs were not provided, which makes verification hard for the few books without any URLs, but overall, this is clearly supported by reliable sources (AGFing the book references as not hoaxes just badly formatted, and anyway, this one is rescuable: [2]). It should be published ASAP and just tagged as {{dead end}} since the submitter forgot to add hyperlinks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Tales from the Green Hills declined by User:Sulfurboy is similar to 4 but nonetheless would pass AfD. No inline references is a problem, but it lists a general reference to a Korean encyclopedia which has an entry on this topic ([3]). This satisfied GNG, and the source is obviously reliable, so while the article should be tagged with {{morefootnotes}} it should be published, not declined. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Sohn Won-pyung declined by User:SportingFlyer due to "not meeting Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations." That was true back then, now the draft has been formatted correctly thanks to User:DGG and User:Vahurzpu. Everything now seems properly referenced and the refs are reliable. Why is this still in the draft space? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Seong Mi-jeong declined by User:Theroadislong due to failing RS and GNG. The article has partial footnotes and some unreferenced content warrants a {{peacock}}. They are reasonably well formatted , and seem to be reliable (Korean newspapers and books). I don't see good discussion of awards and reception, and frankly I think that as written the article has borderline notability. However, the claim of unreliable sources is plainly wrong. As for whether this would survive AFD or not, well, as I said, this seems borderline. I can't fault the reviewer for declining it on the grounds of notability, but I don't understand why the references were judged unreliable. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Seo Joon-hwan declined by User:Theroadislong due to not having footnotes, which seems to me like a totally wrong reason. We have {{nofootnotes}} for that. What is even worse is that the article CLEARY has footnotes, 13 at that, and they are clearly formatted, maybe not ideally, some are references and some are more like notes, but overall, there article seems based on some reliable sources which are properly linked in footnotes. That said, if the reviewer failed this due to GNG I would agree, as the article does not seem to explain how the subject meets WP:NAUTHOR. Only the first refs seems to be about the subject, but it is unlinked, and I failed to verify it exits (the odds are it does, but it is in Korean, and the title and author's names were translated, which makes finding the original next to impossible unless someone speaks fluent Korean and gets lucky with search terms). On a side note, I noticed that this entire article has been republished here, considering formatting, it seems like it was copied from Wikipedia and not the other way around... Anyway, I don't think this draft should have been published due to failing GNG BUT I find the decline reason wrong. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Park Cheong-ho declined by User:Cerebellum due to being an ad, which is not the best rationale to use here. I read the article and I don't see obvious WP:PEACOCK or promotional language. The reviewer should cite specific examples in their decline comment, otherwise this is too subjective of a criteria. Other than that, the subject seems to have won two awards, but I have no clue if they are major (they are unlinked and one is unreferenced). The subject is probably notable subject to several in-depth academic articles, but as too often here, the references seem to be badly formatted - they don't have any URLs AND seem to be translations from Korean, meaning that google and google scholar search fail to produce links. I can't even verify that there is a journal called Literature and Society, I guess even the name is in Korean and translated into an English title unused outside Wikipedia :( As such, whether to accept this article or not is based on whether we AGF that those sources exist and this is not a hoax. I hoped that a corresponding Korean Wikipedia article would help, but the Korean name of the subject is not given in the lead, sigh. It seems to be 박찬호, but ko:박찬호 is about Chan Ho Park. Frankly, I'd user user-draftify it (not delete it) and tell the author to add working links to references to prove this is not a hoax. This is likely a notable writer, but accepting articles with such unverifable references invites submission of hoaxes too... :( --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
@Piotrus: This is 박청호, not 박찬호, though he doesn't have a kowiki or namuwiki article either way. The sources referenced are:
- Kang 1995: This is <추억과 상징의 시, 그 희망 없음의 세계-유하․박청호론>, in 『문학과사회』 32호. DBPIA link.
- Kim 1996: This is <환멸ㆍ억압ㆍ복수로서의 글쓰기 - 박청호론>, in 『문학과사회』 35호. DBPIA link.
- U 1996: This is <‘장난스러운 절망’과 ‘절망적인 장난’ 사이에서 - 박청호 읽기>, in 『문학과사회』 35호. DBPIA link.
- Jang 1996: This is <분화해가는 환멸의 담론들 - 박청호의 소설에 대하여>, in 『문학과사회』 35호. DBPIA link.
- Son 1999: This is <글쓰기가 감추고 드러내는 인간의 욕망에 대한 소설적 탐구의 세 가지 사례 고찰 - 조경란 『가족의 기원』, 박청호『소년 소녀를 만나다』, 송경아『테러리스트』>, which I can't find the original journal for but is included in 손정수's 2002 anthology 『미와 이데올로기』.
- Seo 2000: Couldn't find this easily, but there is a literary critic by this name.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 14:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
(Continuing after a short break). Draft:Min Gyeong-hyeon. Declined by User:Bkissin de to tone (essay), lack of RS and NPVO issues. Uh. I rad the article. It seems to be written, to me, in an encyclopedic tone, with correct structue. I don't see an serious issues with neutrality, maybe a bit of peacock-phrasing in the 'crticial reception' ("uniqueness of his writings", lack of attributoion for sentences - only end of paragraph one), but it is hardly serious. The references are badly formatte (as in many cases here, they are Korean works whose titles and other elements have been translated, making verificaiton hard where no ISBN/URL/etc. are present). Now, the references need better formatting, and the subject's notability is borderline (particulalry as the main reference used for the claim of significant reception is badly formatted and hard to verify). In fact, I would decline this myself due to poor reference style and insufficient notability, but I take an issue with the decline n the groinds of tone/RS/NPOV - none of those seem like the factual issues found here, suggesting tha the reviewer did not read the article, or does not understand the cited policies. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Memilggot pil muryeop (메밀꽃 필 무렵, When the Buckwheat Flowers Bloom) declined by User:WikiAviator due to non-RS sources. Well, some sources are not RS indeed, some seem ok, the main problem here is that much of the text has not footnotes, and worse, notability for this short story is unclear. The text makes assertions that the story is significant, but those assertions have unclear/no/unreliable references. That said, the story is likely notable as it inspired at least one movie, television series and other works; I found some sources like "When the Buckwheat Flowers Bloom is based on the outstanding short novel by Yi Hyo - sok published in 1936" or "author of the modern classic When the Buckwheat Flowers Bloom was born", hen the Buckwheat Flowers Bloom... are counted as masterful works of this genre, and there is evidence of this story being discussed in Korean scholarly works: [4]. Now, as far as drafts review go, I can't blame the author for declining this - it is not very well written, needs more references, needs better references, etc. But the subject is notable, just the current execution is lacking. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Back at it after another break, this time looking at Draft:Kim Youn Bae, declined by User:User:KartikeyaS343 as 'too much of an advert', which seems to be a generic template decline. The article does suffer from a bit of peacockish issues and needs some grammar fixes, but doesn't strike me as an ad. The relevant policy is GNG - is the subject notable or not? If they are, than this article is in line with an average article about an artist or writer. Neither the Korean Wikipedia nor Namu Wiki have an article about the subject. The references used seem to be from the publisher, with a bit or newspaper coverage but the latter appears minor. I see only one sentence that calls him "acclaimed", but again, it seems to be based on the publisher website. I did not locate any better sources, through some may exist in Korean, and my Korean skills are very rudimentary. Anyway, right now I conclude this should be declined, as a bio of a GNG-failing subject is an advertisement. I'd just recomment that the reviewer should make it clear that it is notability which is the primary issue here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Kim Sa-i (Poet) declined by User:AaqibAnjum due to tone and layout issues. Let's see. ... Another bogus decline, another example that way too many AfC reviewers don't seem to be competent enough for this task. Neither the tone nor the layout seems out of order here. Sure, the language is not up to FA standards, and there are minor issues with formatting (lakc of bullet points in list, etc.), and few sentences need inline referencing, but those are minor issues. The main issue, yet again ignored by the reviewer, is whether the subject is notable, and this is unclear. None of the sources cited seems to be in-depth about her, outside a single interview, and I am not seeing anything better - but my Korean skills are limited. I don't think she has an article on Korean Wikipedia or namu wiki. So I am not recommending this for publication, but at the same time, the reason for declining it is 100% wrong. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Kim Myung-su was never submitted for a review, nor reviewed. Seems notable (entry in a Korean encyclopedia), so I c/e-ed it and published it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Kim Kyoungin Here I concur with User:Sulfurboy. Notability is a problem, although there is supposedly one academic article about her work, but I couldn't verify it really exists (it probably does, but can't take it for granted, and it's the author's fault for not linking it and translating the title without providing the original title in Hangul). TOOSOON, but I suggest keeping it and reviewing in a decade or so.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

General discussion

@Piotrus: Agreed. On a cursory glance, every single one of the rejected drafts easily passes notability guidelines. They are admittedly poorly researched and in need of copyediting, but this can and will be fixed in time. Rejecting them out of hand is not doing anything to help WP:SYSTEMICBIAS.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 02:07, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I have already endorsed and published the Draft:Inhyeon wanghu jeon (仁顯王后傳, Story of Queen Inhyeon) as Inhyeon wanghu jeon. I have the impression that the whole story is only newbie's bashing. User:GeneralPoxter, what a great general, killing the soldiers ! Many of these drafts where even proposed for speedy deletion. Indeed, this Draft system is resulting into a net loss of a lot of valuable content. Pldx1 (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that the article when I reviewed it was submitted with only a single source. No article of that length entirely dependent on a single source could be considered reliably sourced by current standards. All because the content is considered "valuable" does not warrant it being on Wikipedia. Articles must be amply supported by sources to show that it is actually valuable. It should be clear that the burden and responsibility of ensuring that valuable sources reach the mainspace falls largely on article writers to adequately cite sources. GeneralPoxter (talk) 18:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm currently on break from wiki as my field of work is on the frontline of dealing with the COVID pandemic, but I thought I'd quickly chime in. First and most importantly, there is a distinct difference between an article being rejected and an article being declined. I didn't go down the list, but I noted that the article I was referenced about someone said I "rejected" it when I in fact declined it. The difference being a decline allows for an editor to make the appropriate changes and resubmit, whereas a rejection is a final and done in instances in which there is no hope in establishing notability or in some other way fails what Wikipedia is.

There also seems to be a misunderstanding of why an article may be declined. We do not approve of every article if it is determined to be notable. Our standard is "likely to pass an AfD". That standard is very open to interpretation, some believe that means any article that is likely notable should be approved. Others, myself included, take a WP:BUILDER approach and believe that it should be able to likely pass an AfD in its current state. I imagine from the context of the comments that most of these would require WP:HEY or some level of someone else doing work to right the ship. This is problematic because, after approval, many of these articles will not be seen by another editor for months, years, possibly ever. As such, AfC in some capacity serves as a last hope of getting an article to a bare minimum level of acceptance before it's tossed into the wild. If I'm needed for additional comment, be sure to ping me, because like I said I'm basically inactive for right now. As to the at times flippant and negative comments towards AfC, I would encourage any editor to volunteer their time in this incredibly very overworked process. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 05:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sulfurboy: I am very active at AfD I am 100% that out of the 6 articles I've reviewed so far, 5 would be likely uncontested (and possibly speedy) keeps if nominated, and only one is a maybe, but by no means a speedy. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Piotrus notified me, because I have been accepting, or at least postponing the deletion, of such articles. At first when I encountered them, I didn't: they were not written in our usual style, they were over-heavy on plot, the references were relatively scant and totally unfamiliar. But as I kept seeing them, I realized I was applying overly restrictive standards. The style could be fixed. The contributors seem to have been learning to shorten the section on plot, and increase the discussion of reception. Gradually they have been adding more references. I intendto check the ones mentioned above, and it is highly likely that I shall accept many of them.

I don't think I agree with some of what Suflfurboy has said above. I have seen over time many of his declined articles that I think should be accepted, and if I think they will pass AfD I have been accepting them, or if I think they are fixable trying to fix at least a little and then accepting, or if I cannot immediately fix or if the decline reason is invalid, at the least postponing the deletion. (Though most of the ones I have disagreed with him about are ones that he declined months ago, and I definitely do agree with most of the declines that he did in the last few weeks of intensive work here.) I think that he is in fact working closer to the standard used by most other reviewers than he used to. I had intended to postpone a general discussion with him on this until he had the time to engage in it, but I'll give the basics of it now. When he wants, we can have the discussion on the proper place, the AfC talk page. If in the mean time I accept articles that he thinks I shouldn't, there's afd, either now or whenever he has the time. If this discussion had not arisen, I would not have even mentioned the issue now.

I do not know Korean. The standard for foreign language references has always been one of our basic prinicples: Assume good faith. If someone says that a reference exists, we do not say they are a liar unless it is truly impossible to verify at all. If a reference is malformed, someone will fix it--I've perpetrated over the years many incomplete references working on the basis of what I have, and they do get fixed, just as I have fixed probably thousands entered by other people, in this hopefully cooperative enterprise. Cultural bias does exist--we will always have relatively weak coverage from some geographies, but we should try to minimize the effect--not by formal rules, for this is a fluid situation which depends as much of who comes here. and how hard people work, but by a relatively relaxed interpretation. How far to relax it can be a valid matter of disagreement, which is what consensus processes are there to decide, not each one of us individually and independently.

The one matter agreed above, is the standard for accepting AFC: that it will probably pass AfD. It was decided many years ago when we first had AfC, that this did not mean a bare 50%. Most reviewers then used somewhere between 60% and 90%; I think it has stabilized at somewhere like an 70%-80% chance of passing, and at least 80% of accepted afcs that are challenged do in fact pass AfD, which meansthe process works as it is intended to. (I use a standard of 80%, but in fact fewer than 5% of what I've passed has ever been deleted or even merged.) It's argued above that the standard means it would pass as is, but that's not the way afd works: articles often get improved during afd, and this seems to apply particularly to ones that had been drafts. Whether something will get approved, means whether it will be approved at the end of the discussion, just as in all other consensus decisions--it's the final consensus that counts. Myself, if I list something for AfD, and it gets improved and kept, I do not regard it as a mistake of mine--I regard it as a success. The deletion process exists to get acceptable articles into WP as much as to keep unacceptable ones out.

We certain do accept articles on the basis of a single reference if it is good enough. An entry in a national encyclopedia or major subject encyclopedia has always been regarded a fully sufficient for an article--we consider them authoritative. A bio with a bare but good reference that someone has a seat in a legislature or has won a major prize is acceptable also. It's not ideal--it counts as a very low quality stub and I will always try to find at least something additional. (obvious, a bio with only a first party reference or a newspaper mention is another matter entirely, and I think none of us would accept it.) Bios with a verifiable fact showing notability but no reference for personal details can still be accepted--but the practice is generally to stubbify them to what can be referenced.

I do not accept every article if i think it notable. That's not the standard. Thes tandard is whether the community will think it notable. That means having some convincing amount of content and references, and to that extent I do agree with what Sulfurboy said. I will sometimes even decline for style, if the style is so utterly terrible that people who look at it will think rightly or wrongly that it shouldn't be accepted into our encyclopedia. I think it is possible for reviewers to work to a common, but not identical, standard. DGG ( talk ) 05:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

And, Piotrus, something where you might be particularly helpful--we are currently having similar problems with articles of Serbian and other Balkan area politicians and writers. DGG ( talk ) 05:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@DGG: I can try to help with the Balkan ones, but for now I am busy reviewing the Korean ones listed above. And I would like to ask: when will the ones I reviewed above and said they are acceptable be published? Can I publish them myself or do we need some sort of discussion? And if I can publish them, is there a good script for that? I use some script but it does a good job of hiding the 'accept and publish' button... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

You have to sign up for AFCH, if you haven't, but I'll add you. The instructions, unfortunately, are a little complicated. ("complicated" is the wrong word, I meant "bizarre". However, I was planning to add them tomorrow, It's usually best to have a second person if there's likely to be a dispute, so I'll make a point of linking to your statement also. DGG ( talk ) 06:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@DGG: I think I have this script (well, it calls itself beta in the drop down menu), but it is not user friendly. I understand comment, I left one recently somewhere, but there is no publish/accept button, just submit (submit what? Where?). Then there is a third button "Clean submission Mark as under review". Bizarre, yes. There is a reason in my published academic reviews on teachign with Wikiepdia I tell readers "use sandbox and stay the hell away from the super complex and super backlogged draft system", which, sorry, I believe should be pulled down. Good intentions, I understand, but it is too buggy /unfriendly -> not working. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

what you have to do is first submit it, and let the macro add the necessary headings for accept/decline, and then accept it as a separate operation. The options to accept or decline only show up when the article is submitted. But it's generally better if one person nominates and leaves it for another to accept--that part of the functionality is a deliberate feature, but if I think it's clear enough I will do both, especially if the article has been neglected. DGG ( talk ) 16:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@DGG: On the topic of the single encylopedia entry being sufficient, I agree with you, but I don't think it actually works that way in practice given how these articles were evaluated. Look at the chart I compiled below. Most articles about a topic covered in a major encylopedia were in fact declined. And the only editors who approved articles in any significant number were you and User:Missvain (who, by the way, has come out of this fiasco looking very good!) Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

FYI, here is a table of all of the articles that I believe are associated with this project, whether accepted, declined, or never submitted. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Enormous table


Title	Description	Author	Reviewer	Outcome	Decline reason	Decline comments	Comments	Speedy nom	G13 deleter
Eulhwa	modern Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	Verifiability		27 footnotes at time of decline	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Jin Daebang jeon	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Cassiopeia	Decline	Notability	Need more source with inline citations	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Ged UK
Im Gyeongeop jeon	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Hughesdarren	Decline	Verifiability	The article needs more inline citations from reliable secondary source and some internal links if it is to be accepted	Four general references, including entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture and entry specifically about subject in Dictionary for Traditional Korean Literature	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Choe Goun jeon	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:MurielMary	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	The draft needs more inline citations so that it is clear where the statements originate from.	Not a BLP	User:Squeeps10	User:Fastily
Hong Gyewol jeon	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Cassiopeia	Decline	Notability		Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:Squeeps10	User:Fastily
Bang Hanrim jeon (方翰林傳 The Tale of the Woman Scholar Bang Gwanju)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:MurielMary	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	Thank you for creating this article. There are no inline citations, only one overall source at the end of the article. Are there more sources?	Not a BLP	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Pahk Yon-Hee	dead Korean author	User:Minheepark33	User:MurielMary	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	The sections of works, and awards, need citations.	Not a BLP	User:Squeeps10	User:Fastily
Imjillok (壬辰錄 Record of the Imjin War)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Dan arndt	Decline	Notability	Fails WP:NBOOK, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources.	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:Squeeps10	User:Fastily
Pak ssi jeon (朴氏傳 The Tale of Lady Pak)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:MurielMary	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	Thank you for creating this article. There are no inline citations, only one overall source at the end of the article. Are there more sources?	Not a BLP	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Sodaeseongjeon (蘇大成傳 The Tale of So Daeseong)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Praxidicae	Decline	Essay	also needs inline sources.	Covers authorship, plot, features and significance, "other", archival sources	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Sinmirok (辛未錄 Record of the Incidents in the Sinmi Year)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	Verifiability		Three general references, including entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Seol jeo jeon (薛小姐傳 The Tale of Seol Sojeo)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:HitroMilanese	Decline	Verifiability		Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Yeoseong yeongung soseol	Korean literary genre	User:Minheepark33	User:Theroadislong	Decline	Notability		Three reasonable general references	N/A	N/A
Sukhyang jeon (淑香傳 The Tale of Sukhyang)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Minheepark33	User:HitroMilanese	Decline	Verifiability		Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Draft:Bujangyangmullok	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. I think that the topic is notable, based on a google search, but please link the references to the proper sections of the article. Feel free to resubmit after these changes have been made. Thank you.	Unsourced (except now-dead link to apparent discussion board) at time of submission	N/A	N/A
Ko Jinha	Korean writer BLP	User:Chaekbeolle	User:DGG	Decline	NPOV		As this was nearing G13 deletion, DGG added a comment "might be fixable" to delay deletion ; I have now accepted it DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)	N/A	N/A
Ku Jung-seo (literary critic)	Korean living literary critic	User:Chaekbeolle	N/A	Not submitted, G13 deleted	N/A		10 footnotes. Entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Modern Korean Literature listed in "see also" section.I have now accepted it DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Old Metal-Type Print Classical Novels (guhwaljabon gojeon soseol)	type of printing of Korean novels	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Missvain	Decline	Notability		I have now accepted it as Korean Metal-Type Print Classical Novels (guhwaljabon gojeon soseol) DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)	N/A	N/A
Jeon Uchi-jeon (The Tale of Jeon Uchi)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. Feel free to resubmit after some changes have been made.	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Jo Ung-jeon (The Tale of Jo Ung)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Alex Noble	Decline	Verifiability		Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Kang Hwa Gil (writer)	Korean writer BLP	User:Chaekbeolle	User:DGG	Accept
Kang Sunghee	Dead Korean writer	User:Chaekbeolle	User:DGG	Accept
Kim Kyungrin (poet)	Dead Korean writer	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Alarichall	Accept
Kim Naesung	dead Korean writer	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Praxidicae	Decline	Advertisement		"Famous as the first detective novelist in Korea"; died 1957 so unlikely to be advertising. As it turns out we had an article about this person under a name variant; these now need to be merged.	N/A	N/A
Saekki seo bal	Korean folktale	User:Benlawrencejackson	User:Zanhe	Decline	Verifiability		Three general references and three additional references in footnotes	User:JMHamo	User:Justlettersandnumbers
Banggwijaengi myeoneuri	Korean folktale	User:Benlawrencejackson	User:JavaHurricane	Decline	Notability		Three general references and three additional references in footnotes, including entry specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Folk Culture	N/A	N/A
Namu doryeong	Korean folktale	User:Benlawrencejackson	N/A	Not submitted, G13 deleted	N/A		Four general references and four additional references in footnotes, including entries specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Folk Culture and Dictionary of Korean Language and Literature	User:JMHamo	User:Justlettersandnumbers
Dokkaebi bangmangi	Korean folktale	User:Benlawrencejackson	User:JavaHurricane	Decline	Verifiability	Please add a lead to the article and properly source the article. For more information, see WP:CITE.	Three general references and two additional references in footnotes, including entry specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Folk Culture	User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Fastily
Gyeonmyo jaengju (The Cat and Dog Fight Over a Marble)	Korean folktale	User:AsterYomena	User:1292simon	Decline	Notability	Article needs more WP:RS sources showing this folktale's significance in Korean culture.	Three general references, three "further reading", and eight additional references in footnotes, including entries specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Folk Culture and Encyclopedia of Korean Folk Literature	N/A	N/A
Ureongi gaksi (The Snail Bride)	Korean folktale	User:AsterYomena	User:WikiAviator	Decline	Verifiability	Heavily rely on same source.	Six general references, four "further reading", and three additional references in footnotes, including entries specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Folk Culture and Encyclopedia of Korean Folk Literature, and Encyclopedia of Korean Language and Literature	N/A	N/A
Jihaguk daejeok toechi seolhwa	Korean folktale	User:AsterYomena	User:1292simon	Decline	Notability	Article needs more WP:RS sources showing this folktale's significance in Korean culture.	Three general references, eight "further reading", and three additional references in footnotes, including entry specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Folk Culture	N/A	N/A
The Rainy Spell	modern Korean short story	User:Shinewer01	N/A	Not submitted, G13 deleted	N/A		20 footnotes, including article specifically about subject in Encylopedia of Korean Culture	User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Fastily
Draft:An Heon-mi	Korean writer BLP	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:DGG	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	The material about the nature of her poetry must be referenced	14 footnotes	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Jung Hanmo	dead Korean writer	User:Njoyseon	User:WikiAviator	Decline	Verifiability, notability	The content is ok, but I can't find sources that establish its notability. Also, some sources like Naver and Korean Wikipedia aren't RS.	25 footnotes and one general reference, including entries specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture and Dictionary of Korean Language and Literature, and entries about various works by article subject in Dictionary of Modern Korean Literature. Article subject won National Academy of Arts Award and Korean Literature Award. I have now accepted it on he basis of the award DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)	N/A	N/A
Draft:Choecheokjeon (최척전 The Tale of Choe Cheok)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:Cassiopeia	Decline	Notability	Need more dependent reliable sources and pls provide inline citation - see WP:REFB	Two general references, including entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:Lapablo	User:Fastily
Eom Won-tae	Korean writer BLP	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:Whispering	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations		12 footnotes, but written [1] [2] etc. instead of with <ref> coding I have now accepted it DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)	N/A	N/A
Ha Sangwook	Korean writer BLP	User:Serendipity217		Not submitted, G11 deleted			15 footnotes, generally things that look like good-quality sources I have now accepted it, regardless of coi; there are enough good references. DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)	Nominated G11 (spam) by User:Moonythedwarf	User:Jimfbleak (comment: "self-written vanity page")
Draft:Ham Seong-ho	Korean writer BLP	User:Serendipity217	User:AngusWOOF	Decline	Custom: "Likely notable, but the format is messed up at the moment with the sectioning and spacing. Also concerns that it might be copy-pasted from somewhere."	Do not reference Korean Wikipedia. That is not a reliable source. Tone is also of concern since it makes POV statements about the author without attribution of who said it.		User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Yi Yongyak	Dead Korean writer	User:Njoyseon	User:Taewangkorea	Accept
Draft:Hwamongjip (A Collection of Romance and Dream Journey Stories)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:Cassiopeia	Decline	Notability	Need more dependent reliable sources and pls provide inline citation - see WP:REFB	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:Lapablo	User:Cwmhiraeth
Draft:Kim Sa-i (Poet)	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:TheAafi	Decline	NPOV	See, WP:Tone and WP:Layout		User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Fastily
Draft:Isaenggyujangjeon	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Serendipity217	User:J947	Decline	Notability		Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture (but listed in "see also" section rather than references section)	User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Liz
Jeon Bonggeon	Dead Korean writer	User:Njoyseon	User:DGG	Decline	Verifiability	Allstatements that amount to judgement or evaluation must be referenced to a third-party independent reliable source	39 footnotes	User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Fastily
Han Suyeong	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:Missvain	Accept
Draft:Kim Chong Kwang	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:MurielMary	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	The sections on published works, and awards, need citations	21 footnotes and extensive sources listed in further reading.	User:Squeeps10	User:Fastily
Draft:Kim Eon Hee	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:Waggie	Decline	Notability	Vastly undersourced and uses non-encyclopedic language (flowery, promotional). Please summarize reliable, secondary sources for the article content. If you have affiliated with Kim, you need to declare this.		N/A	N/A
Draft:Kim Eui-kyung	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:Cerebellum	Decline	Advertisement			N/A	N/A
Draft:Kim Joong-sik	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:Praxidicae	Decline	Advertisement			User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Draft:Kim Jun Tae	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:AngusWOOF	Decline	Advertisement; verifiability	The tone of this is rather promotional and looks to have been copied from some other magazine article.		User:UnitedStatesian	User:Anthony Bradbury
Draft:Kim Youn Bae	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:KartikeyaS343	Decline	Advertisement			User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Fastily
Draft:Kim Moon-soo (Novelist)	dead Korean writer	User:Sojungyang	N/A	Not submitted, remains in draftspace	N/A			N/A	N/A
Draft:Kim Myung-su	Korean writer BLP	User:Sojungyang	N/A	Not submitted, G13 deleted	N/A		26 footnotes	User:Lapablo	User:Fastily
Eunsegye (은세계, Silvery World)	Modern Korean literary work	User:Seray Lim	User:Missvain	Accept
Land (novel)	Modern Korean literary work	User:Seray Lim	User:Missvain	Accept			Later User:Missvain reversed herself because the article already existed under another title, but User:DGG later approved to facilitate a merge.
Kim Sa-ryang	Dead Korean writer	User:Seray Lim	User:DGG	Accept
Kim Nyeon-gyun	Korean writer BLP	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Sulfurboy	Accept
Kim Ŏk (poet)	Dead Korean writer	User:Chaekbeolle	User:DGG	Accept
Adam-i nunddeul ddae (아담이 눈뜰 때, When Adam Opens His Eyes)	modern Korean literary work	User:Seray Lim	User:Missvain	Accept
Draft:Memoirs of Lady Jo of Pungyang	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:Cassiopeia	Decline	Notability	Pls provide inline citations - see WP:REFB (User:CaptainEek later added: "Agree with Cass, needs inline citations. Please provide before resubmitting.")		N/A	N/A
Draft:Min Gyeong-hyeon	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:Bkissin	Decline	Essay/NPOV			User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Korean heroic novels	Korean literary genre	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. I think that the topic is notable, based on a google search, but please link the references to the proper sections of the article. Feel free to resubmit after these changes have been made. Thank you.	Five general references, including entries specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture, Doosan Encyclopedia, and Textbook on Living Classic Literature	N/A	N/A
Draft:Park Cheong-ho	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:Cerebellum	Decline	Advertisement			User:ThelmaCow	User:Fastily
Draft:Seo Joon-hwan	Korean writer BLP	User:Minheepark33	User:Theroadislong	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations			N/A	N/A
Draft:Seong Mi-jeong	Korean writer BLP	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:Theroadislong	Decline	Notability			User:Eternal Shadow	User:Fastily
Draft:Sohn Won-pyung	Korean writer BLP	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:SportingFlyer	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations			User:JMHamo	User:Zzyzx11
Draft:Tales from the Green Hills	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:SeanLinHalbert	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	Verifiability		Two sources (entries specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture and Encyclopedia of Korean Folk Culture) listed in "further reading" section, but "references" section is empty	N/A	N/A
Draft:The Black Leaf in My Mouth	modern Korean poetry collection	User:SeanLinHalbert	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	Verifiability	Wikipedia and other online encyclopedias cannot be relied on as a source.	17 footnotes, including entry specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Draft:Woodblock commercial publication in Korea	type of printing of Korean literary works	User:Serendipity217	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	Verifiability	Also, please review WP:MOS		N/A	N/A
Draft:Yeom Seungsuk	Korean writer BLP	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:Whispering	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations		19 footnotes (made using [1] [2] etc. instead of <ref> code)	User:Lapablo	User:Shirt58
Draft:Yoo Juhyun	dead Korean writer	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:KartikeyaS343	Decline	Verifiability			User:Nnadigoodluck	User:Fastily
Draft:Yu Sun-ha	Korean writer BLP	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:SamHolt6	Decline	Verifiability		12 footnotes. Three external links including entries specifically about subject in Doosan Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Korean Modern Literature	N/A	N/A
Draft:Heo Jun (writer)	dead Korean writer	User:Kumquat30	User:MurielMary	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations	A lot of the "writing" section is uncited - needs to have citations to show where these statements came from.	Not a BLP	N/A	N/A
Draft:Hwang Hyunjin (writer)	Korean writer BLP	User:Kumquat30	User:Chris troutman	Decline	Notability	Most of the claim of notability hangs on Munhakdongne; the Korean-wiki article is an unsourced list, so I don't think there's any notability gained there. Any publishing company can tout authors it publishes. Subject otherwise fails WP:ANYBIO.		N/A	N/A
Draft:Myth of Bak Hyeokgeose (Foundation Myth of Silla)	Korean myth	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:AngusWOOF	Decline	Exists		What exists is a related article; not sure if myths deserve own articles	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Draft:Myth of Dangun	Korean myth	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:AngusWOOF	Decline	Exists		What exists is a related article; not sure if myths deserve own articles	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Draft:Myth of Jumong (Foundation Myth of Goguryeo)	Korean myth	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:AngusWOOF	Decline	Exists		What exists is a related article; not sure if myths deserve own articles	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Draft:Myth of King Kim Su-ro (Foundation Myth of Gaya)	Korean myth	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:AngusWOOF	Decline	Exists		What exists is a related article; not sure if myths deserve own articles	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Choi Jongcheon	Korean writer BLP	User:Kumquat30	User:Missvain	Accept
Hwang Myung	Dead Korean writer	User:Kumquat30	User:Missvain	Accept
Hong Shin-seon	Korean writer BLP	User:Kumquat30	User:Missvain	Accept
Draft:Choi Youngchol (poet)	Korean writer BLP	User:Kumquat30	User:Chris troutman	Decline	Copyvio		I think this is probably a backwards copy; that site seems to host other materials from Wikipedia.
Cho Yongmee	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:Missvain	Accept
Cha Bumseok	Dead Korean writer	User:Njoyseon	User:Missvain	Accept
Jo Eun	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:CaptainEek	Decline	Notability			N/A	N/A
Han Su-yeong	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:Missvain	Accept
Heo Manha	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:KartikeyaS343	Accept
Draft:Memilggot pil muryeop (메밀꽃 필 무렵, When the Buckwheat Flowers Bloom)	modern Korean short story	User:Seray Lim	User:WikiAviator	Decline	Verifiability	NAVER, ko.wiki and gov websites are not RS.	Eight footnotes, including entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Ahn Sanghak	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:Missvain	Accept
Kiwan Sung	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:Missvain	Accept
Seo Il-ok (poet)	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:Missvain	Accept
Draft:Inhyeon wanghu jeon (仁顯王后傳, Story of Queen Inhyeon)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Seray Lim	User:GeneralPoxter	Decline	Verifiability	Some of the claims made in this article are not verifiable by the sole given source. Please cite sources, especially for the plot description. Suggested sources to look at: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/658635/summary	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Draft:Kim Yeonkyung	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	BLP without sufficient inline citations			N/A	N/A
Baemsillang (The Snake Husband)	Korean folktale	User:AsterYomena	User:Calliopejen1	Accept
The Cunning Servant	Korean folktale	User:AsterYomena	User:Sdkb	Accept
Your Republic Is Calling You	Modern Korean literary work	User:SeanLinHalbert	User:DGG	Accept
Gisangdo	Modern Korean literary work	User:SeanLinHalbert	User:KartikeyaS343	Decline	Notability		Multiple scholarly articles about poem cited.	N/A	N/A
Kim Youngtae	Dead Korean writer	User:Minheepark33	User:DGG	Accept
Kwak Hyo-hwan	Korean writer BLP	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Missvain	Accept
Pansori-based fiction	Korean literary genre	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Sagotreespirit	Decline	Verifiability	Naver Encyclopedia should be WP:RS, but more specific references are needed, and the article needs to be more navigable. Reliable Wikipedia articles rarely cite everything from Britannica, for example.	Ten general references, including entries specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture and Encyclopedia of Korean Folk Literature	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Seol Gongchan-jeon (The Tale of Seol Gongchan)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Missvain	Accept
Tale of Heungbu	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Missvain	Accept			Later User:Missvain reversed herself because the article already existed under another title, but User:DGG later approved to facilitate a merge.
Wang Lang-banhonjeon (The Story of the Return of Wang Lang’s Spirit to This World)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. I think that the topic is notable, based on a google search, but please link the references to the article. Feel free to resubmit after these changes have been made. Thank you.	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Wanwolhoemaengyeon (A Promise Made During a Moon Gazing Banquet)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. I think that the topic is notable, based on a google search, but please link the references to the article. Feel free to resubmit after these changes have been made. Thank you.	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture. Resubmitted without changes and declined by User:Frood on the basis that no changes were made.	N/A	N/A
Yeowarok (The Story of Yeowa)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. I think that the topic is notable, based on a google search, but please link the references to the proper sections of the article. Feel free to resubmit after these changes have been made. Thank you.	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	User:JMHamo	User:Fastily
Yu Chungryeol-jeon (Tale of Yu Chungryeol)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Missvain	Accept
Yuhyogong seonhaengnok (The Story about the Good Deeds of Hyogong Yu Yeon)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:TheAafi	Decline	Verifiability	See, Referencing for beginners	Single general reference to entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture. Resubmitted without changes and declined by User:Frood on the basis that no changes were made.	N/A	N/A
Dongmyeong ilgi	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:GoldenAlpha77	User:DGG	Accept
Yussisamdaerok (The Story of Three Generations of the Yu Family)	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Taewangkorea	Decline	Verifiability	Thank you for your submission. However, to accept it, we would need several reliable sources cited in proper format. I think that the topic probably is notable, but please link the references to the article. Feel free to resubmit after some changes have been made. Thank you.	Two general references, including entry specifically about article subject in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture	N/A	N/A
Cho Taeil	dead Korean writer	User:Njoyseon	User:1292simon	Accept
Draft:Choe Dooseok	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:I dream of horses	Decline	NPOV	If the draft were to be accepted, it would take a long time to rewrite it as neutral.		N/A	N/A
Draft:Hong Changsoo	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:1292simon	Decline	Custom: "To assist reviewers in assessing this article: On the Talk page, please list the WP:THREE best sources that establish notability for this WP:BLP."			N/A	N/A
Draft:Jo Yongho	Korean writer BLP	User:Njoyseon	User:1292simon, User:Sam-2727	Decline	Two separate declines on 4/5/20 by different users (without resubmission by author): NPOV; custom: "To assist reviewers in assessing this article: On the Talk page, please list the WP:THREE best sources that establish notability for this WP:BLP."	Phrases like "To him, essays are as important as novels" aren't very formal. Perhaps request a copyedit at WP:GUILD. Also, previous comments have not yet been addressed.		N/A	N/A
Story of So Hyeonseong	pre-1900 Korean literary work	User:Chaekbeolle	User:Juan90264	Decline	Notability		Three general references, including entry specifically about article subject in Encylopedia of Korean Culture	User:UnitedStatesian	User:Fastily
Draft:Kim Kyoungin	Korean writer BLP	User:Seray Lim	User:Sulfurboy	Decline	Notability			User:Nathan2055	N/A

FYI, I also just posted about this issue at WP:VPP because I think the broader community needs to see how AFC is handling contributions like this. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Calliopejen1, you have succeeded in showing that some AfC reviewers work too rapidly, and others are incompetent. The AfC messages are inadequate, and a number of otherwise good know this, and add their own prewritten summary, without considering whether it actually meets the situation. It's always a temptation when overworked, to deal with things very briefly, and only give real explanations when someone complains. The reviewers we need to educate or remove first are the ones who don't even give personalized explanation when asked for. Screening drafts is a teaching process, and I'm sure everyone here has encountered enough poor teaching that they should know not to imitate it.

In judging the proportion of bad reviews, we'd need real statistics, but the classification would be personal. I am , in a complementary project to yours', screening all 5+ moth declined or never-submitted articles within my competence (everything but sports or popular culture). There are about 100 a day; I look at 50. Of these, about 5 can be rescued, though most of them need a little work first. 10% articles lost is too high a proportion, but not hopelessly high. Our overall quality of screening now isn't good, but compare it with the sort of stuff we accepted 10 or 12 years ago. (It's much harder to look at what we didn't accept but should have accepted back then, but my impression at the time was that it was about 15 to 20%. ). DGG ( talk ) 05:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

All, let's take this discussion over to WT:AFC. Thanks! Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

List of man-made disasters in South Korea

I just posted this new article. It may or may not be worth keeping. I would appreciate interested editors to take a look at it. --''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 03:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Creating Wikidata WikiProject Korea

Currently there's no WikiProject on Wikidata that is dedicated to creating, improving and organizing all articles related to Korea.

It'd make sense to create it?

We could make the project work by improving the items there, and tag up the existing items.

We could also make working groups there as well.

Thanks in advance,--CrystallineLeMonde (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I've created a WikiProject that focuses on the Entertainment of South Korea, all editors welcome to join the project:

Wikidata:WikiProject Korean Entertainment It's still in early stages, help from advanced editors are requested. --CrystallineLeMonde (talk) 18:52, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Request of help

I have seen conflicting information about the content descriptors used by the Game Rating and Administration Committee. Can anyone native Korean speakers help me by checking if their images, english label and descriptions are correct? --Trade (talk) 08:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review page

Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me ({{u|Tom (LT)}}) in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I think such pages are mostly hidden and few projects are active enough to go beyond a talk page here. Maybe such sections should be transcluded here, but I think the best idea would be to simply add categories to generic peer reviews, like AfD deletion categories, that people could monitor through article alerts and such if they care. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Dear User: Tom (LT). I think that nobody uses or even reads this page. Fell free to boldly play with it as much as you want. Pldx1 (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

100% agree with both of you. @Piotrus: the change will (pleasingly!) achieve what you are requesting. If peer reviews are listed using the main peer review process (at WP:PR) they will appear on your article alerts for this project automatically. @Pldx1: based on what you've said I have boldly gone ahead and marked the page as inactive / historical with instructions to use the main peer review process instead. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Propose guidelines for Members section

Results as of November 18, 2020

This discussion is still ongoing

Support	Oppose
0	4

Greetings all WikiProject Korea's Wikipedian, I would like to propose a guidelines in regards to Members section in K-Pop groups/bands article. This is to ensure that there's consistency from article to article and also other languages Wikipedia within the K-Pop groups/bands article only. Do note that this is WikiProject Korea not WikiProject United Kingdom or WikiProject United States or WikiProject Europe so we shouldn't be referring to those articles within that scope.

Currently most K-Pop groups/bands in which the members doesn't have their own Wikipedia article, would have such format

Members section

Member A
Member B
Member C
...
...

Whereas, K-Pop groups/bands where 1 or more member(s) have their own Wikipedia article, the members section wouldn't normally exists as they are already listed as link to their respective article inside the Template:Infobox musical artist.

Proposal

My proposal is that we should list out the basic information that you would normally find inside Template:Infobox musical artist, such as their Stage name (English/Romanized and Hangul), Birth name (English/Romanized, Hangul and Hanja), Date of Birth, Nationality, and their role within the group in table format. Below is 3 example:

Example 1 with Description (role) column

Stage name		Birth name			Date of Birth	Nationality	Description
Romanized	Hangul	Romanized	Hangul	Hanja	Date of Birth	Nationality	Description
Member A	구성원 A	Kim ...	김 ...	金 ...	(2000-01-01) January 1, 2000 (age 21)	Korean	Vocalist, Dancer

Example 2 without Description (role) column

Stage name		Birth name			Date of Birth	Nationality
Romanized	Hangul	Romanized	Hangul	Hanja	Date of Birth	Nationality
Member A	구성원 A	Kim ...	김 ...	金 ...	(2000-01-01) January 1, 2000 (age 21)	Korean

Example 3 without Date of Birth, Nationality and Description (role) column

Stage name		Birth name
Romanized	Hangul	Romanized	Hangul	Hanja
Member A	구성원 A	Kim ...	김 ...	金 ...

Why change?

The reason of initiating the proposal is because:

members of newly-formed groups/bands wouldn't normally have their article created immediately, due to lack of content to expand beyond the Wikipedia:Lead section and Template:Infobox musical artist.
inconsistency with Korean Wikipedia article, take recently debuted girl group Aespa for instance. This is their English Wikipedia article and this is their Korean Wikipedia article.
table is easier to read and also cleaner in style.

Wasn't this discussed before?

Yes, it was discussed before back in 2017. However, there wasn't an conclusion reached and individuals just started changing everything to suit what they like. The discussion was there after automatically archived due to lack of discussion for 6 months.

What can we do this time?

What we can do this time is to ensure that there is such guidelines inside the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles and Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Article guidelines so to ensure consistency.

Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 04:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose all:I don't see the need for any tables at all, there's nothing wrong with a simple list of names. i also don't think inconsistency with foreign language articles is our concern, as i have seen many Korean articles which are packed full of irrelevant trivia and tidbits that our guidelines would not allow. Additionally, i don't see member tables being added for any other type of group on the English wikipedia, K-pop articles shouod not be an exception to this. Alex (talk) 08:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

By your logic then what is the point of having Template:Infobox musical artist? Of course, I know it's part of Wikipedia guidelines but who created the guidelines, it's created by us the Wikipedian. Having a simple list carries no meaning other than saying so and so is part of this group but what if other would like to learn more about them? I can simply say Charlie is part of group named Apple without saying what is their birth name, date of birth (how old are they), what is their role within the group (Rapper exclusively, vocalist, drummer, guitarist, etc). Which is why I propose a guideline to follow, and I like mentioned earlier, guidelines are created by us the Wikipedian. Not broken doesn't mean you shouldn't improve it. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 08:55, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, was that a genuine question? The infobox musical artist is used for the group, or the individual if it is an individuals article. How do you equate that to having a table to list members when a simple list like what we currently do is enough? The standard we have now is Name (hangul, positions if reliably sourced). Why do we need more? I just don't see that as an improvement. Alex (talk) 09:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes that was genuine question. It's okay to oppose since this is discussions, there's bound to be mix reactions and I respect your decision. Fyi, the standard was not guidelines but just that everyone is "copying/taking references" what others (basically the one that started the "trend/style" first but I don't know who) is doing which is why you have this so-called "standard" that isn't defined anywhere seen on pretty much very Kpop-related articles. My proposal was to have something in similar concept to Infobox which is standardlize and actual standard instead. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 09:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. Right off the bat, by employing flag icons, this proposal already violates WP:FLAGBIO. By adding excruciating detail, from a member's birth date and name, you're giving undue weight to information that is not intrinsically vital to the article about the group. It throws the article off balance per WP:BALASP. Member names, those names in Korean, and their positions are essential to the group, and a table is not needed to present that. Ə XPLICIT 11:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Understood. I have since made correction to the proposal to not violated WP:FLAGBIO. Reason on why use table instead of simple list is simply because of is cleaner and easier to read and understand as list would have brackets here and there. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 12:00, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Strong oppose: Per what I said at Aespa's talk page. Members sections should, in my eyes, only be names and positions. Abdotorg (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. Both Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles and Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Article guidelines should be shrinked, if not burnt and salted. Don't expand them! If you want to write something, then simply write it. Pldx1 (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Erm ... this is not a joke right? I mean like both articles are not really that long and extensive and there's still plenty of rooms to add on. Paper9oll | Talk:(Paper9oll) 15:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Is review of a TV series by Global Times reliable?

Hello fellow wikipedians from Wikiproject Korea; There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard on the topic mentioned in the subject. Link here. As this is closely linked with Korea related topics, I invite all the wikipedians of this Wikiproject to share their opinion. Everyone's opinion will be highly valuable. Thank you. -ink&fables «talk» 03:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

A link to a DAB page

In Local Route 32 (South Korea), there is a link to the DAB page Chungnyeolsa (tagged as {{disambiguation needed}} since June 2019). The Korean DAB page ko:충렬사 is fuller than the English one; but none of the entries on it seems to relate to Yuseong District or Daejeon. Expert help would be welcome. Narky Blert (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: the intersection mentioned there is named for a nearby shrine (Chungnyeolsa "Loyalty Shrine" is a pretty generic name for a shrine devoted to people who died for the country; there's dozens of notable & non-notable ones by the same name all over the place.) For now I dabbed it to an intentional redlink, Chungnyeolsa (Daejeon). . I'm not sure whether it's notable or not - offhand I couldn't find much information about it on the internet, just a couple of articles in local newspapers [5][6] which say it was set up in 1968 and enshrines the spirit tablets of Min Young-hwan, Choe Ik-hyeon, Yi Tjoune, An Jung-geun, and Yun Bong-gil. The shrine itself doesn't even get a label in Google Maps, though it does in Naver Maps [7]. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Good solution, thanks! That was my idea also, but I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something. Narky Blert (talk) 07:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I've added a hidden note by that redlink, linking to this discussion. Narky Blert (talk) 07:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Sunjong sillok with Gojong sillok

There is a discussion at Talk:Gojong sillok#Proposed merge of Sunjong sillok with Gojong sillok. Please participate in the discussion.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 12:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

2020 APAN Music Awards advice needed

I've been working on a draft for the 2020 APAN Music Awards. Voting for certain categories took place on the Idol Champ app. I initially pulled the categories+noms from what I saw listed on the app+what was mentioned in news articles on Naver and thought that I had all the categories listed. Then select winners were announced on November 30. My problem is that I have no idea where some of the categories publicized on this date came from. Eg. the Male Solo (Global) cat was listed on the app for voting but the articles also include a cat titled 'Male solo' that is apparently a domestic category. Kang Daniel won both but idk if there were other nominees for this 'Male Solo' cat, if the noms for the global cat were the same ones used for this cat, or if this cat was announced and voted on elsewhere. Same applies to the (not global) Female Solo, Male Group and Female Group cats won by IU, BTS and Iz*one. The cats w similar titles on the app (which are the global cats) were won by Hwasa, Svntn and Blackpink so ik they're not the same award but I can't find any other polls on the app showing the former artists mentioned. Idk if there are additional nominees I need to locate+source or if only winners alone are all that was ever announced, so if anyone is familiar with this particular award ceremony or was following it since it was first announced 2 mths ago and knows what I don't, I'd appreciate any feedback on where I should look or what to do. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: I think they're separate awards. There is Global and non-global one. Here is 2 sources [8] and [9]. The 1st article mentioned Kang Daniel won 3 awards of which is Male Solo, Global Male Solo. However, I'm not too sure where the voting took place on. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 09:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: ik they're separate categories lol (I did link a ref with them). What I'm asking about is where I could find the nominees for them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Yea the domestic, I'm not too sure either. All news article points to Idol Champ app and fans website also point the voting there. My personal assumption is that either the domestic doesn't have fans vote or international fans can't vote for domestic category. Maybe can just publish without citing any sources for the domestic voting using citation needed template if nothing is found, shouldn't have any issues. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 16:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Are these awards consider notable?

ATKP x IDOL CHAMP Awards
KBS World Radio Year-End Survey
TopStarNews Female Idol Awards
Simply K-Pop ADIEU
Simply Kpop Year-End Special
TenAsia Top Ten Awards
K-Champ Awards

Personally, I don't think they are consider notable. However, I wanted some advice as I'm currently editing List of awards and nominations received by GFriend. – Paper9oll | Talk:Paper9oll 09:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: the Simply Kpop ones are definitely not notable. If the KBS Survey one is the same one I'm thinking of that used to be in the BTS awards page a loong time ago before we revamped it, that is also not notable. I specifically remember Snowflake mentioning it. I'm not familiar with any of the others sorry. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Thanks for the reply, I have removed all except the Ten Asia. As I also don't think they are consider notable. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 10:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Romanization of names?

When refering to name pages, should they be based around how the name is romanized or how the name is spelled in hangul? Since Hangul names are often romanized in different ways, am I correct to assume that name pages would rely on the hangul to group names and include them on a page, regardless of the romanization? Jayb.rd98 (talk) 20:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I suggest starting here WP:NCKO - generally they are romanized based on how reliable English sources romanize them. Evaders99 (talk) 03:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Need help with draft page

Hi, I need help with a draft for a K-Pop member which doesn't have a article for herself. All her member have one ber she doesn't. Can anyone check what's missing in my draft and tell me what to do since I'm fairly new to editing wikipedia? My draft is here Draft:Yeh Shuhua. I hope someone can guide me through. Thank you in advance. Justin03 (talk) 04:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

You should read through WP:MUSICBIO and be able to show how she is individually notable with independent sources. Evaders99 (talk) 00:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Are Melon Popularity Awards notable?

I have been seeing many "Melon Popularity Award" tables across numerous K-pop song articles and I am wondering if they are actually notable enough to be included. Wouldn't those awards fall under WP:SINGLEVENDOR? As compared to music show wins, I don't think they have nearly as much an impact in the K-pop industry anyways. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 22:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nkon21: I don't think they are notable and shouldn't be included in the awards and nominations table. Including them inside the relevant album/EP/single that won the award either above or below the music program awards table shouldn't have any issues if there are reference(s) provided. I removed from some awards and nominations table recently because there's no reference(s) provided and my research turn up nothing or they turn up as Melon Music Awards category with completely different nominee, my assumption is that they were included because of WP:CRUFT. And like you said, my opinion also the same, the awards doesn't have much impact ... pretty much like music program awards. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 05:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nkon21: iirc, Melon Popularity award wins are connected to year end MMA nominations. Songs/artists that win them have a higher chance of/end up being in the running for a particular award(s). I just can't remember whether it's a digital or popularity one though. They are notable and relevant, best suited in song articles as per usual practice, rather than in awards+noms list articles. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 05:22, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Korean given names

I think that all names in Category:Korean given names should be moved to their spelling according to the Revized Romanization. This would also fit WP:NCKO better than the current system that just uses a rather random spelling. --Christian140 (talk) 16:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I’m not sure writing all names in the revised romanization would be the best way to go about it. Common usage still comes into play, and many individuals write their names with common romanization instead of official (Such as writing Kim instead of Gim). I feel making sweeping edits to only use one would be confusing, since a huge number of people still rely on and use the common spelling.

I would suggest reformatting to list common and revised romanizations when applicable. The one update I can agree with making standard is romanizing names as two syllable blocks with a hypen, as it doesnt change the readability or searchability of the name but allows some form of standardization. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 01:53, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

The Revized Romanization is actually the most common one. And for family names, the Revized Romanization already has exceptions. Also, I was only talking of given names. --Christian140 (talk) 09:39, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

I still think it would be a benefit to list both where applicable, since there could be some confusion. Take the name 진희. A popular celebrity romanizes that name commonly as Jin-Hee, while the revised romanization is Jin-Hui. Listing one and not the other would cause confusion, since both are still in usage.Jayb.rd98 (talk) 23:43, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

While digging through the article, I found the issue you were discussing. I agree, changing the standard names to revised would be beneficial, with a side note to denote the common spelling. I have also noted some names seem to have incorrect romanization lists? Such as the syllable block 윤 being listed as “Yoon” in all romanization, while everything I can find lists the correct romanization as “Yun”. Is this a failure of my reaserch, or an issue with the articles? Jayb.rd98 (talk) 04:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

In the English wikipedia, the statements for Revized Romanization and McCune-Reischauer are often very wrong. Yun is correct. For both, RR and MR. Many people who edit these articles have no clue about Korean, yet their romanizations. Actually, even though I not really like the revized Romanization because of exceptions it allows and the "eo", the rules are quite easy. But still, many do never take a look at Romanizations guides. MR, however, is quite complicated I think, simply because of the variants that exists. There is the pure McCune-Reischauer, there is the North Korean McCune-Reischauer, there is the American academic McCune-Reischauer, the German library system McCune-Reischauer and many more. And they are all different. Similar, but different. There is also this tool from the Busan National University. RR is always 100% correct. For MR, I am not sure. I think it uses pure McCune-Reischauer. The most common variants you usually see, however, are the North Korean and American. Anyways, I know a lot of the romanizations, but sometimes get mixed up. E.g., until recently, I was sure that RR would disallow the use of a hyphen for native Korean names, unlike for Korean names based on hanja, where hyphens are deprecated but allowed. However, that rule is actually for a form of McCune-Reischauer. Not sure anymore if the German or the pure one. In my opinion, both Romanizations need to go and both Korean governments should make one final approach for a Romanization that can stay forever and is as good and pinyin. --Christian140 (talk) 07:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Standardization and expansion of given name pages?

I’m planning on spending a few days to bulk up the given name pages, and I was wondering if there is a decided standard formatting for the pages? Some pages use simple lists, such as the page Dong-suk while other pages use sections to separate the named individuals into occupation, such as the page Seung-hwan.

Is one format the standard? Which should I use while cleaning up and expanding on these pages? Jayb.rd98 (talk) 03:15, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

We are told that the official list encompasses 24 hanja with the reading "dong" and 20 hanja with the reading "seok". And, among all these

24\times 20=480

possibilities, we have

20\%

violinists and

40\%

football players. This is a great help to understand the meaning of 동석 as a Korean given name. Moreover, https://koreanhanja.app/%EB%8F%99 lists 38 동 and https://koreanhanja.app/%EC%84%9D lists 29 석. Is there anything to say about the

38\times 29-24\times 20

unofficial 동석 ? Pldx1 (talk) 10:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

The official list of hanja for use in names (see Article 37 of these regulations) consists of the Basic Hanja for educational use plus additional name-use hanja (look for "별표 1" in that link) and permitted variant forms (별표 2). The numbers in Dong-suk and a bunch of other articles are using an out-of-date dead link as the source. And no one is very enthusiastic about going around to all the articles to update the numbers, because the number itself isn't very helpful anyway. Maybe listing the hanja on each article (and linking them to Wiktionary) would be better. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

There's some general guidelines for name lists (for all languages, not just Korean) at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards, but it doesn't give any guidance about dividing into sections. You could also ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards. In general, I guess separate sections are helpful if the name list gets really long. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

V Live channel as official website?

Can V Live channel be used as official website inside the infobox and also external links?

I'm asking this because SM Entertainment have ended their Star Home service on December 31, 2020, the website with .smtown.com that is found inside SM Entertainment artist's article(s).

Currently, visiting respective SM artist's .smtown.com site return a notice telling visitors that future news and schedules would be posted on upcoming V Live channel called "SM ARTIST OFFICIAL FANCLUB Channel". Which in turn means the website status is consider dead.

As of this writing, the channel is not yet published. However, I would be great if there's consensus on the topic. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 06:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Since vlive will be their primary listed website according to their company it would make sense to direct people there. It being hosted on a third party website doesnt change that it is their new primary activity hub, in my opinion. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about organization of articles on dynasties

There is a general question about how articles about dynasties are organized, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History#Organization of articles on dynasties. Thanks! — MarkH₂₁^talk 19:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Stub-article request

Hello Beautiful Korean,

I would like to request a stub article from you. What i want to req for is Kim Jwa-geun [ko], chief minister of the Joseon. Because of the major hit of Korean drama Mr. Queen. Thanks VocalIndia (talk) 20:00, 14 January 2021

Jayb.rd98 Can you help us for a stub? please ! VocalIndia (talk) 20:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)