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More opinions needed at Requested move Nineteen Eighty-Four → 1984
Hey all. There is currently a deletion debate ongoing about Brewer (John Updike), the setting of John Updike's "Rabbit" cycle of novels. Any input at the AFD would be welcome, as would any contributions anyone might have from reliable sources discussing this topic outside of a plot summary. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 13:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Merge of The Fellowship of the Ring article
There is a deletion/merge discussion that might be of interest to members of this Wikiproject here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Fellowship of the Ring.--MattMauler (talk) 22:11, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion is now happening here: Talk:The Lord of the Rings#Proposed merge of The Fellowship of the Ring etc into The Lord of the Rings – WanderingWanda (talk) 02:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Notice of re-proposal to merge all volumes of The Lord of the Rings to its main article
The AfD suggesting merge/delete and redirect has closed, and another discussion about merging all three LotR volumes' articles into The Lord of the Rings has now opened at Talk:The Lord of the Rings#Proposed merge of The Fellowship of the Ring etc into The Lord of the Rings, as of February 4.
What to do when a page is supposed to be about the novel but contains information about the film which is based on the novel?
Is there a tag or something? See Death on the Nile talk page under "Is this supposed to be about the book or the film?". A lot of the plot information is coming from the film, rather than the novel and they are two very different stories. I pointed out the first glaring mistake but there are others. Unfortunately, I'm not all that familiar with the novel (hence the reason I was looking it up to begin with) to make the corrections. I just remembered for certain about the rock business. Is there a tag that can warn readers that this may contain inaccuracies from confusion of the book and film or even series? What about when there are many other versions such as a the television series and an upcoming new film? How do we fix this? Any advice at all? Please ping me, with suggestions. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 17:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- @MagnoliaSouthThe plot section of the article you link to should clearly be about the novel only. You are right to remove info from the plot summary if it is from the film (The film even has its own article!). The other adaptations listed farther down in the article are likewise irrelevant for the plot section of the article. I don't know of a tag, though one might exist--However, I think a warning tag would make situation more confusing without distinguishing which elements are from which. The best approach would be to get ahold of the book (or someone who knows the book well) and correct the inaccuracies as soon as you can. There's no deadline, so I'd say make it a priority BUT just know that some inaccuracies might stay for a limited time.--MattMauler (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- (e/c) MagnoliaSouth, The plot section on that page is about the novel, and only the novel. There are been various films, which have their own articles: see Death on the Nile (disambiguation). It's quite common unfortunately for editors who have never read the novel to 'correct' the plot to include elements found only in a film or TV version. Such edits are wrong and should be fixed or reverted. Not sure if there's a specific tag for this, but ultimately someone who knows the book will need to deal with it. MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- Magnoliasouth you can add the article to your watchlist, and reject edits to the plot summary that are not from the novel. It is the easiest way to keep the plot summary straight. It has been a while since I read that novel. How do you know that some of the television show's plot did not match the novel? --Prairieplant (talk) 04:39, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
More restrictions on List of fictional elements
I made a new discussion in WT:Notability (fiction) regarding adding more restrictions on lists regarding fictional elements such as swords, animals, profession, and so on. if anyone is interested in bringing their opinion on the topic. here.Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 19:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
The article is in the domain of both WikiProject The KLF and WikiProject Novels. As the currently sole active member of the former, I've done what I can on the KLF side of things, but the article could do with some help on the book side of things - which is really rather important as the article is about the novel :) If anybody would like to flesh it out I'd really appreciate it. I've left a note about what I've done, what I feel needs to be done (but you're the experts), and some possible sources, on the talk page.
Additionally, if there's anybody in the UK who is interested in finishing this article but feels they need to own a copy of the book first, I am willing to donate a copy to them with 2 conditions (and 1 disclaimer). 1) You'll have to promise to write about the book even if it's terrible, 2) The offer only stands while the book remains available on Amazon for under £7 ;). The disclaimer is that of course to facilitate this I would need an address. I hope that as an editor and admin in good standing (?) trust can be presumed but if not you'll have to buy or borrow your own copy! :)
I'm not expecting any takers, with or without a free book thrown in, but as the old adage goes, "if you don't ask, you don't get". If anybody wishes to communicate with me about this, please be sure to ping me as I'm not much of a watchlist-watcher. Don't bother pinging me with "no", that is taken for granted.
- Kingboyk The simplest thing the article could use is a plot summary. As you have read the book, perhaps you can write one. There is no need to supress the ending. Tell the whole story, in brief. The challenge, besides being brief, is writing it in everyday language, so anyone who lights on the article can understand what you are saying. The Wikipedia phrase for this is avoiding "in-universe" style, that is, so much in the universe of the book that the uninitiated cannot follow what is written. You seem to be clear in your writing style, given the sample here. --Prairieplant (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Prairieplant: That's the thing, I haven't read the book yet :) I've ordered a copy which has just arrived. (I discovered today that I'd also bought a copy back in 2017 and hadn't got round to reading it! Oh well, that's either one pristine copy for the bookcase and one to read, or a Christmas present sorted :))
- I'll do as you suggest if nobody beats me to it, but it won't be imminent as I have some more pressing work to do both on and off wiki, including (on wiki) completing some work on an FA which was in danger of being deleted.
- Thanks for the reply and for the tips about how to write the plot section, which I shall certainly refer to if it ends up being me that writes it. --kingboyk (talk) 01:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)