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Please do not nominate your user page (or subpages of it) for deletion here. Instead, add {{db-userreq}} at the top of any such page you no longer wish to keep; an administrator will then delete the page. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion for more information.

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of this page Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion include:

Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

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Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}}. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding `{{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~` to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
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Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6\|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space. Proposed deletion is an option for non-controversial deletions of books (in both User: and Book: namespaces).

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

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Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
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Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.

Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}

If the nomination is for a userbox, use <noinclude>{{mfd}}</noinclude> as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.

or

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.

or

{{subst:md1-inline|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
if you are nominating a userbox in userspace or similarly transcluded page.

Please include in the edit summary the phrase
Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
Save the page

II.

Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
Insert this text:

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replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.

Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
Save the page.

III.

Add a line to MfD.

Follow this edit link and at the top of the list add a line:

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Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
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If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add

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If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
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to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as
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replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
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March 4, 2021

Wikipedia:Wikipedia 20th Anniversary Userboxes

The Wikipedia 20th Anniversary celebration has ended. I would like this page to be deleted. SoyokoAnis - talk 21:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@SoyokoAnis: This page qualifies for {{G7}}. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Zazaban/Rock music

Apparently abandoned fork. -- Beland (talk) 20:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete per WP:UP#COPIES. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Delete - it does not seem the user changed anything beyond what was copied over. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:07, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Isento/Inspirational verses

I warned Isento that an earlier version of this page with full song lyrics was a copyright violation and needed to be deleted. That was a week ago. Although the amount of lyrics has been reduced, it still seems excessive. I'm not sure that a collection of lyrics on a user page would be considered fair use. In any case, the versions of the page with full lyrics need to be deleted. Mo Billings (talk) 05:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

There never were any versions with a song's full lyrics. And contrary to your claim at my talk page, I did address this by asking @Jo-Jo Eumerus: a week ago to delete the revisions you deemed excessive (User_talk:Jo-Jo_Eumerus#Rev_deletion). Which they did. isento (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't notice that the history had been revision deleted. I think it's still worth hearing other opinions on fair use. Mo Billings (talk) 05:53, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure, sure. isento (talk) 05:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Weak Keep - I do not claim to be an expert on the law of fair use, but as a matter of common sense, the page appears to be fair use of multiple works. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree that it is fair use. A collage of different works is not fair use. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
  - Well, a collage of different works (especially using small parts of those works for noncommercial purposes) is very often fair use. Still he question is whether it's a problem for our non-free content rules. Of that, I'm not so sure. We don't typically allow non-free content in userspace, but I suspect there are an awful lot of user pages with song lyrics... BTW Isento might be interested in our sister project, Wikiquote, which does indeed include small bits of song lyrics and other copyrighted works under fair use. :) — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

March 3, 2021

Template:User Michael Bloomberg 2020

Unused userbox; campaign is over (and given how unsuccessful it was, this is unlikely to be used). Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 21:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Fixed by editing. Keep per WP:ATD, and especially if it was ever used, i.e. is present in the history of any userpage. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

February 28, 2021

User:ENF - Embarrassed Nude Female/sandbox

Abandoned draft, no potential for ever becoming an article. Guy Macon (talk) 03:26, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Not quite CSD#U5, as it conceivably could get into Plot device, but that article is not a list of all plot devices, and this is a very shallow one. I think you should have blanked it on discovery, as it is not worth having everyone here think about it. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:56, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete - This has been abandoned for six-plus years by an editor who came and went six-plus years ago. The name of the account used by the editor is the same as the name of the plot device, which means that the account was created for the purpose of creating this draft, which means that the account was a sockpuppet account of someone. That isn't G5, but it is another reason to delete after this discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:09, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete Clear U5, whatever the hell this is it needs to go. SK2242 (talk) 06:23, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete - Wikipedia is not TV Tropes. Has very little chance of becoming part of an encyclopaedia article. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 12:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- I actually searched TV Tropes before filing this, because the style is so close I thought it might be a simple cut and paste copyright infringement speedy delete. I Didn't find a smoking gun, but the copied page may have been deleted from TT years ago. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete — Clearly non-encyclopedic, get it out of here. — csc^-1 21:47, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete - One question - Just why ?...... Anywho doesn't improve the 'pedia in any way, shape or form. –Davey2010^Talk 17:06, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

February 26, 2021

User:Heymikeyatl/sandbox

Unsourced promotional micronation b.s. Delete per WP:PROMOTION and WP:NOTAWEBHOST Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Good afternoon.

I am Michael J. Fanning, Atlanta Blogger and Journalists. The information I posted is both verifiable and violates not copyrights. Nor is this propaganda but a mere statement of facts that are verifiable in other media (i.e, books, articles, etc. listed in the reference section). If formatting is an issue please advise. As to the claim of unsourced promotional micronation b.s. the article spoke to documents publicly filed, published, and verifiable. The organization seeking UN recognition has a public petition with over a thousand supporters and is working with other organizations groups, and governments, to seek admittance to the United Nations. Was your assertion that this is b.s. referring to the notion of the organization seeking statehood under the precepts outlined by the United Nations, or in reference to the social cause they list as the impetus for their work? Ones personal beliefs should not be sufficient to bar verifiable facts from public entry to the encyclopedia. The subject of this article has been featured in the Atlanta Voice, on various domestic and international news cites, as well as reference in books. Please list what facts are in question or went without citation and they can be responded to directly. Is it your and or Wikipedia's stance that a civil service organization seeking to create solutions for racial equality with membership and support in the thousands is not noteworthy? Please Advise Heymikeyatl (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

If you've got a blog already, that's the perfect place for this kind of material. It is not what Wikipedia is intended for. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete per nom, this is some real WP:FRINGE stuff here. — csc^-1 22:15, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete - hoax and/or fringe theory that is clearly not going to make it to mainspace. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 22:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete @Heymikeyatl: As a matter of Wikipedia policy, any material included in the encyclopedia should be verifiable from reliable sources which are independent of the subject, and should maintain a neutral point of view. This page, were it to be submitted as a mainspace article, would be subject to speedy deletion as overly promotional, and does not establish that you are notable enough (in Wikipedia's sense of the term) to merit an article here. Further, we strongly discourage autobiographies and other editing where a conflict of interest is involved. As for your edits to Bir Tawil, the sources provided are your own website (not independent), and a self-published book (not even close to being reliable), which fall far short if the sourcing we would want to see even if your claim were valid.

As for declaring it to be "promotional micronation b.s.", I wouldn't have put it quite that way, but you have to understand that Bir Tawil has been claimed as a new nation by hundreds of people over the years, and we've had to revert material for literally dozens of these claims from the article thereon because they were equally (or more) inadequately sourced than your claim here, and no more (or less) valid, and to editors who keep watch over this article it can seem like an endless game of Whac-A-Mole. Besides, in my personal opinion I'd rank your claim well behind those of this bloke in England who bothered to have an actual coronation ceremony or this guy who at least made the effort to travel to Bir Tawil to lay his claim. --Finngall ^talk 23:08, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

If all the people who have claimed Bir Tawil over the years were actually forced to live there, there'd probably be enough of them to create a viable community. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:14, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Except that all of them would insist that they're in charge of the place. --Finngall ^talk 23:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete - A user sandbox is user space, and U5 applies, in addition to the other reasons cited above. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

February 24, 2021

Old business

Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 22:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC) ended today on 4 March 2021. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action.

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February 17, 2021

MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed/de

full list of pages

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) bibliomaniac 1 5 04:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Noarticletext/es, as an English language Wikipedia, it is entirely pointless to have personalized messages in [foreign languages] as it is expected that those contributing have a decent command of English. In summary: In order to contribute to this project, you need to have enough of a command of English to understand all the English-language system messages and policies that we put there, and translating these messages will probably just encourage non-fluent English speakers to contribute to this project in broken English, rather than contributing to their own language Wikipedia fluently without problems. For this reason, I nominated this list of 108 pages for deletion and would prefer deletion of all of these above messages. If this should be discussed in the village pump instead, I am happy to raise my concerns there. Aasim (talk) 22:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete all per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Whoa there if these pages are empty or otherwise useless, then sure delete. But otherwise having a page such as MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon/nl exist doesn't seem to be following the nominators deletion argument. If you are a multi-language editor and have your interface language set to your common language you will see these messages instead of the local custom english version - else you will get the mediawiki default which could be even worse. This nomination is a bit broad to not have more specific reasons for specific pages. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
I know people like to set their interface language to their foreign language, but speaking from the point of view of someone who predominantly speaks English, my contributions on other language wikis would not be super helpful. Plus we also have the Wikipedia:Embassy for those who cannot communicate or understand Wikipedia policies very well. The level of English required to contribute to an English project (and this is true for other languages as well, not just English) is very high. En-1 and En-2 does not cut it. Sure you may be able to edit at En-2 but the kinds of edits you can make are very limited compared to En-N or En-3/4.

And the MediaWiki default being "worse"? I disagree a little. You still have access to all the tools, they are just not conveniently linked at the bottom of every talk page. The solution is just go to your native wiki or an international wiki (like MediaWiki or Meta) and you get the tools linked at the bottom there. Aasim (talk) 16:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep English Wikipedia, as the most prominent Wikipedia, should remain accessible to editors of different languages. There is very little cost to keeping these. Zoozaz1 talk 18:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac 1 5 04:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Reject nomination and send this matter to a venue better equipped to debate it. The community should be queried, mayhaps through an rfc at somewhere like the village pump, regarding the appropriateness of such pages (i.e. seemingly translations of abuse filters) as a class. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 13:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Jay Drew

Unsourced BLP, a request to add sources has been ignored. SK2242 (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete as an unsourced BLP. It also happens to be promotion and no hint of notability. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- I could find no reliable independent source. Unsourced BLPs should be deleted exactly per BLPPROD, allow seven days to find a reliable source. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep per WP:NMFD, though I have no doubt it will be G13'd. — csc^-1 16:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:BLP is policy that is active in all namespaces. NMFD does not explicitly mention unsourced BLPs as something not to delete, and should not be used as a response to just any draft at MfD. SK2242 (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Draftspace exists as a place for articles to be developed, obviously any contentious material should be removed per policy, but otherwise it should just be left for WP:G13. — csc^-1 17:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

- NMFD is about non-notability not being allowed to be the primary reason to delete a draft, but given another reason, it can be considered. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep for now, hasn't been submitted yet. Can be tagged for autobiography if it has a promotional tone. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete - Will this person ever be notable ? Well judging by these search results the answer's no. Most Nigerian/Zambian bios created here tend to not be notable and this draft looks nothing different from the rest of the now-deleted drafts/articles. If he becomes notable in the future someone can go to REFUND or just recreate. –Davey2010^Talk 19:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep - Drafts allow time to compile and add sources; if nothing comes of it, then the darkness that is G13 will snuff out its light. If it is unreasonably promotional to the point of no hope, then request it be speedied. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 10:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep autobio that will be G13d in the course of time. Java Hurricane 14:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak Keep because notability does not apply to drafts, and because SmokeyJoe has a good idea about unsourced draft BLPs, but it isn't policy yet. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Weak delete, too promotional, there really is no plausible indication of notability now and no realistic chance of becoming notable any time soon, as Davey2010's search indicates. I don't see a point in retaining this draft for months "just because". Nsk92 (talk) 12:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

February 9, 2021

User:Gr8opinionater/Userboxes/Falangist

Userbox promoting fascist ideologies, which violates WP:UBCR, WP:POLEMIC, and WP:NONAZIS. See other previous discussions about such userboxes. — csc^-1 19:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete These discussions have shown that this userbox is inflammatory enough to be deleted according to policy. Zoozaz1 talk 17:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Keep The label "fascist" is not a reason for deletion. It is a reprehensible philosophy, but in this case there is a clear distinction between the policies of Falangist Spain, which was immoral but not evil (as in not committing genocide), and more destructive fascist ideology, such as Nazism, which was both immoral and evil. Just because something is fascist doesn't mean it should be deleted. Zoozaz1 talk 03:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Falangist Spain, which was immoral but not evil (as in not committing genocide) Patently untrue. Please read White Terror (Spain). The Falangist regime absolutely engaged in terror and genocide. The fact that it wasn't as well-publicized as The Holocaust does not diminish its significance.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

~~That is a lot of terror, definitely, but that doesn't mean it was a genocide, which has a very specific definition according to the UN.~~ Zoozaz1 talk 14:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't move the goalposts. Terror is terror. Indeed, the United Nations as you referenced is investigating further the crimes against humanity (disclaimer: link copied from article is broken) committed by the Francoist regime. The Francoists and Falangists are one and the same. It's bad enough that you are voting to keep this userbox, but don't use ignorance of their misdeeds as a defense. --WaltCip-(talk) 15:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not moving any goalposts. Any ideology that has been implemented at scale has had moments of terror. Should we delete userboxes supporting America, or Republicans or Democrats, because of the treatment (arguably genocide, certainly crimes against humanity) of the Native Americans? Britain because of its Empire? Democracy because of the massive slavery and repression it was founded during by some of its most notable adherents? We can go on and on. There are lines to be drawn, but I do not think they should be drawn here. Zoozaz1 talk 16:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't want to humor this conversation any further, as the false equivalency and whataboutism in attempting to equate the terror of the Franco regime - something that is still fresh in the minds of Spaniards - to prior misdeeds of other countries is an ideological exercise that will lead nowhere good. --WaltCip-(talk) 17:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete, per nom and per the keep comment of Zoozaz1 above. Yes, if a userbox is fascist (in this case by definition), absolutely, that does mean that it should be deleted. WP:NONAZIS, please. Nsk92 (talk) 12:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep I do not see how it violates WP:UBCR as it is trying to recruit anyone to join. I also believe that a political ideology by itself is not substantially divisive. As for WP:POLEMIC I do not believe that this would be considered an attack on anyone or a group of people. As all the userbox states is what that particular user identifies as. As for WP:NONAZIS it is an essay, and as such has not been vetted by the community, that being the case, I feel that the case for WP:NONAZIS is moot. AfricanChristmas (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep. Lets keep in mind that WP:NONAZIS is not a policy or guideline. If you think this guideline should be then I would look to discussions (if any) on why this was never put into place. Other than that this template recruits or targets nobody as the movement is used in past tense. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

The userbox is incredibly inflammatory. Perhaps in Spain some apologists of the Franco regime still argue about the fine differences between fascism and Nazism but the most of the rest of the world does not care to make that distinction. Nsk92 (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Can't believe we even need to discuss this. WP:NONAZIS please and thank you. WaltCip-(talk) 12:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Gr8opinionater/Userboxes/ Brazillian Integralist

Unused userbox promoting fascist ideologies, which violates WP:UBCR, WP:POLEMIC, and WP:NONAZIS. See other previous discussions about such userboxes. — csc^-1 19:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Keep Similar to my reasoning on Falangism. Brazilian Integralists explicitly distanced themselves from Nazis. A horrible philosophy, yes. One deserving of editors being banned from expressing their support of it, no. Zoozaz1 talk 03:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete, per nom and per the keep comment of Zoozaz1 above, similar to the other MfD for a similar userbox. Yes, if a userbox is fascist (and Brazilian Integralism is by, definition, fascist), absolutely, that does mean that it should be deleted. WP:NONAZIS, please. Nsk92 (talk) 12:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not facist by “definition”. Facist by characterisation. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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