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This page used to say Monk attended, and offered the ref "The Thelonious Monk Reader"edited by Toronto Rob van der Bliek Associate Music Librarian York University, Oxford University Press, 22 Feb 2001. However, page 1 of that book (visible through Google Books) cites Peter Keepnews saying there is no evidence to support Monk attended Juilliard even part-time, and quotes a 1948 George Simon's interview (reprinted on page 5 in the same edition) in which Monk said, "I never studied, I just experimented arranging by experience."
I have cut the statement.
As his health declined, Monk's last six years were spent as a guest in the Weehawken, New Jersey, home of his long-standing patron and friend, de Koenigswarter, who had also nursed Parker during his final illness. She proved to be a steadfast presence, as did his own wife Nellie, especially as his life descended into further isolation.
This last sentence (bolded) might be a useful edit, since the page does not mention Monk's wife anywhere else. It also gives a little more depth and context to Monk's final years, as well as providing insight into those whom he had the closest ties with. Below is the source:
Philip Larkin doesn't belong here
Philip Larkin's opinion on Monk shows up in the second paragraph of this article.
Here's a poem by Philip Larkin:
"'Prison for strikers, / Bring back the cat, / Kick out the niggers, / How about that?'"
I removed the reference to Larkin's opinion on Monk, but it was restored on the grounds that it was verifiable. It's eminently verifiable; so is the fact that Monk was African-American, or, as Larkin would have called him, a 'nigger.' Larkin's opinion does not belong anywhere that claims to promote a neutral point of view, and certainly not in the introduction to the biography of a magnificent American musician. 2600:6C52:7C00:203:B987:D72F:EAC3:93C8 (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Lead does not mention all his associations
- True dat. I thought it used to be in the lead, and there’s been so many changes over the years it’s hard to follow. There’s an allusion to it throughout the article, particularly in the “1934–1946: Early playing career” section. How about putting something together? If you see something needs work or can be improved, it might help to lend a hand. Viriditas (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
There is something slightly illogical about this sentence:
- "Monk is the second-most-recorded jazz composer after Duke Ellington, which is particularly remarkable as Ellington composed more than a thousand pieces, whereas Monk wrote about 70."
Since Monk wrote fewer pieces than Ellington, it is hardly "remarkable" that Monk is second place to Ellington. What would be more "remarkable" is if the ratio of recordings is greatly different from the ratio of compositions, or if jazz composers more prolific than Monk were below Monk in recordings. Either or both of these things may well be true, but neither is actually stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:4B91:AB00:9C2D:18BF:3B62:BBB7 (talk) 00:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)