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- This has been extensively discussed on this talk page, including at Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom/Archive 4#NI is a "Province". That does not prevent us discussing it again, but please look though the earlier discussions archived at the links at the top of this page. Verbcatcher (talk) 03:28, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
RE undiscussed addition of symbols to the main map last month
On the 7th of March User:Ssolbergj changed the main labelled map to one with symbols: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=886620129.
Personally I have no view either way on the debate over Northern Ireland's flag/coa, however it is not shown in the body of the article. Furthermore, I don't see what the flag/coas add to the map, which purpose is to show where four countries within the UK are located.
Does such a change not require discussion in the first place User:DIYeditor?
- Ok, makes sense. I wasn't able to tell from the edit summary that this was the reason. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Identity and nationality
If country means territory, why is there such a detailed section about nations (people) of the countries and whether they identify as British first or second? It seems to me that this section should be reduced to a summary paragraph with a header to a more detailed article.
However assuming there is a consensus to keep the details that are currently in the section. I think there is an issue. In the section Identity and nationality it states
- "white English people perceived themselves as English first and as British second, and most people from ethnic minority backgrounds perceived themselves as British, but none identified as English, a label they associated exclusively with white people"
In the next paragraph
- However, "English participants tended to think of themselves as indistinguishably English or British,..."
Both can not be true simultaneously, so they contradict each other. As they express points of view they ought to carry in-text attribution (with dates) and any conclusions drawn should not be in the passive narrative voice of Wikipedia, but expressed with in-text attribution. -- PBS (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- See London independence.... and WP:CRYSTAL. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- That article is about making London a sovereign nation, as a city-state outside UK. How about having London separated from England as a country within UK alongside England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? What terms are used to describe this and is there information on the proposal? 2606:6000:60CC:C900:CD31:1CFE:179D:44B (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Federalism in the United Kingdom might include London as a federal component. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:00, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
United Kingdom: state or country
Having attempted, on a couple of occasions, to to change one word in the introduction to this entry, I was charged with bringing this here for wider discussion.
I contend merely that the UK should be referred to as a legal state and not a country. The BBC would seem to agree: "The United Kingdom is a state made up of the historic countries of England, Wales and Scotland, as well as Northern Ireland." (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18023389)
Nowhere in the relevant Act (1800) creating the UK is there any reference to the Union of the two kingdoms forming one country. In fact, the word country is specifically only used in reference to each constituent party.
Given that neither the Great Britain nor UK parliaments had, or have, any sovereignty over certain aspects of Scottish domestic affairs - law, church and education - it might even be arguable whether this Union constitutes a state. Perhaps it should be referred to as a union, much like the European Union.
- Further to this, I have just had someone consult the British National Corpus and there appears to be no instance of sovereign country recorded, other than one in the context of sovereign-country-tory.
- You seek to make the change to the article because as you stated in the edit summaries you think the UK is not a country. That is a fringe view. The UK is a country as many reliable sources clearly show and it is the long standing agreed consensus on wikipedia, including the UK article itself. This article describes England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as countries, it is there for extremely relevant and necessary to make clear that the UK is itself a country too, otherwise this will mislead and confuse people. I strongly oppose changing the wording which has been stable for a long time. Especially as the reason you sought the change is you think the UK isnt a country, so the entire reason for your edit was because of a fringe view disputed by reliable sources. The status quo and stable version of this article and others related to it should remain. RWB2020 (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just to add. Above you link to a BBC article claiming it backs up your point, and yet what is the very first thing that BBC article says? "United Kingdom country profile", and it also goes on to say in the second paragraph "and the 2016 referendum vote to leave the European Union has raised significant questions about the country's global role." The United Kingdom is a sovereign state and it is a country. All reliable sources back this up. As this article is about countries of the UK, it is essential and relevant to the article to clearly state the UK is a country too. RWB2020 (talk) 09:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)