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::::::I will stop using the Wukai account. Edit wars can be addressed as they occur. [[User:AlsoWukai|AlsoWukai]] ([[User talk:AlsoWukai|talk]]) 19:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|AlsoWukai}}, my above commentary notwithstanding, since you are aware of the edit warring policy, it should not be necessary for us to deal with edit warring from you since you can ensure that it does not occur. 3RR isn't a licence, it's just the point beyond which it is absolutely taking the piss to go. 1RR is what a responsible editor should hold themselves to in normal circumstances, then they should hit the talk page. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 20:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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== Edit warring by WilliamJE ==
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{{FYI|Heading was {{dif|989411312|refactored}} by {{np|Liz}}. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span>]] ( [[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]] ) 21:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)}}
After [[User:WilliamJE]] edited the article for [[Mike Straka]] to remove details regarding books he had written (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989004130 this edit]), I reinserted the material, adding reliable and verifiable sources about each of the books. WilliamJE has started an edit war today ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989342442 revert one], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989359643 revert two] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989364296 revert three]), with the argument that this is all "book spam". WilliamJE inherently acknowledges that the material is encyclopedic and believes that there is some part of this that doesn't belong here, but refuses to comply with [[WP:PRESERVE]] and fix the problem, choosing instead to revert the edits and remove all of the content. It appears that the material is being removed out of spite to make a [[WP:POINT]]. Furthermore, WilliamJE has started to follow me to articles that I've recently edited within the previous day and that the editor had never edited before, including [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Essex_County_Country_Club&diff=prev&oldid=989272259 Essex County Country Club] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Randolph_High_School_(New_Jersey)&diff=prev&oldid=989364884 Randolph High School]. Half of WilliamJE's last dozen edits involve following me around from article to article. Any ideas? [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 16:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:[[User:WilliamJE]] is quite correct to remove references that cite Amazon book sales pages - it is book spamming. - [[User:Ahunt|Ahunt]] ([[User talk:Ahunt|talk]]) 17:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:The complaining editor should have a boomerang headed back at him. Ideas he asks
::1- His last edit to Mike Straka was in 2013[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&action=history]
::2- I came to Essex Country Club after this post[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Golf&diff=989177397&oldid=989114941] was made to a WikiProject talk page. A talk page I've made almost five dozen edits[https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=WilliamJE&page=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Golf&server=enwiki&max=] to going back as far as 2010.
::3- Working on alumni related edits is something I do all the time. Just one example, this USER talk page post[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Namiba&diff=prev&oldid=988844915] I did 3 days ago.
:The above allegations are absurd. What I removed from Straka were multiple links to Amazon book pages. Is WP here to promote an author's books? Nope. It is bookspam. The complainant was told twice to make a bibliography section similar to one found at [[Mary Higgins Clark]] without the Amazon links but they shrugged it off. One of shrugs included this edit summary[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=989361374&oldid=989359643]- 'rv malicious removal of sourced content. Even you don't believe that this material is not encyclopedic or reliably sourced; you're just doing this out of spite. This time read WP:PRESERVE, WP:POINT and WP:DICK, especially the latter.
:Wrong accusations from an editor with clear history of practicing [[WP:OWN]] when it comes to New Jersey related articles. Any ideas?[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 17:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
::The problem here is that WilliamJE believes that all disliked content should be removed, not merely questionable content. If the edits in question only removed the content in question there's no issue. all three reverts in question -- [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989342442 one], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989359643 two] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=prev&oldid=989364296 three] -- remove details about the books with multiple reliable and verifiable sources, and this appears to be done purely out of spite and in direct violation of [[WP:PRESERVE]], as has been discussed with this user. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 18:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:::I don't see any reliable sources in those three reverts. Which sources is reliable? HuffPo? In my view, a bigger question is why an editor with 450k edits over 15 years is adding inline external links to amazon.com in a mainspace article. No editor should be linking this way: {{code|<nowiki>Straka is the author of ''[https://www.amazon.com/Rowdy-Rousey-Ronda-Rouseys-Fight/dp/1629372390/ref=sr_1_1_twi_pap_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487098998&sr=8-1&keywords=%22rowdy+rousey%22+%22mike+straka%22 Rowdy Rousey],''</nowiki>}}. Alansohn, what gives with this linking? [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v¡v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 18:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
::::The link you cite was added in February 2017 in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Straka&diff=765498469&oldid=754133397 this edit]. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 18:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:::::Let's not play games, let's just talk about the real issues. Yes, the original link was added in 2017, but after it was removed by WJE, you (Alansohn) reinstated it [[Special:Diff/989026127|here]], [[Special:Diff/989347825|here]], and [[Special:Diff/989361374|here]]. The question isn't "Who put it there first?", the question is, in my mind, why is an editor who is #36 on the all-time-edits list edit warring to keep policy-violating link spam in an article? You know it's wrong to link to Amazon.com this way, why insist on it through multiple reversions? [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v¡v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 18:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
The aggressive removal of content by WilliamJE can also be seen at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vineland,_New_Jersey&diff=prev&oldid=988166406 this edit], where sourced material about a book was removed because the editor did not look at what was changed in the article. WilliamJE does not believe that [[WP:PRESERVE]] -- and the obligation to "Preserve appropriate content. As long as any facts or ideas would belong in an encyclopedia, they should be retained in Wikipedia" -- has any relevance, even where other editors have added sources. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 18:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:...and that edit was self-reverted [[Special:Diff/988167391|8 minutes later]]. (And the original reversion would be valid under DUE grounds.) Why even bring up a self-reverted edit, and not mention that it was self-reverted? That doesn't strike me as an accurate presentation of the evidence, Alansohn. [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v¡v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 18:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:I cleaned up the links in that article, probably still needs some work. [[User:BubbaJoe123456|BubbaJoe123456]] ([[User talk:BubbaJoe123456|talk]]) 19:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
:"Based on spite" is not a phrase that should be used in a title here. How do you expect anyone to look at an issue dispassionately when you use it? I have no idea who is right or wrong here, and will not even look when a discussion is framed in this way. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 20:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
::My edit above has now been rendered meaningless because the section title has been changed. It originally had "based on spite" at the end. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 21:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
*{{ping|Alansohn|}} So much for [[WP:AGF]]. Should we just close this and pretend it never happened ? Edit warring to restore a link to amazon is pretty high on my list of absurdities, in world where absurdity is becoming the norm --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 21:40, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
**{{ping|Alansohn|}}: Just some friendly advice: you are clearly in the wrong here, so best to admit it, apologize and thus hopefully avoid a block for edit warring to add spam links. Perhaps this can then be closed without further action. - [[User:Ahunt|Ahunt]] ([[User talk:Ahunt|talk]])
***My recent interactions with WilliamJE began with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vineland,_New_Jersey&diff=prev&oldid=988166406 this edit], in which WilliamJE removed reliably sourced content about a book with the edit summary "NP section criteria Born, raised, lived in Foo. Not set their novel in Foo. Get a RS that says the author is from Vineland", an edit that was ultimately self-reverted by WilliamJE. I had tried to communicate with WilliamJE in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WilliamJE&diff=988170161&oldid=986221067 this talk page edit] and to discuss the issues. These interactions placed me in a mindset in which I may not have been appropriately assuming good faith when WilliamJE removed sourced information about books by [[Mike Straka]] in another series of reverts. My intention in restoring the material was to focus on adding sources, and in doing so I did not pay adequate attention to the links that had been there previously for several years; I was *NOT* adding spam links, I just did not pay attention to what had been there before. In turn, WilliamJE was justifiably addressing an issue with links to Amazon that WilliamJE was seeking to remove. The issues with the Amazon links raised by WilliamJE were legitimate, and I was not getting the clear message that was being sent to me. Direct communication with other editors (and not snippy edit summaries) is the best way to address this and other similar issues, before escalating into edit wars and ANI. My sincere apologies to {{u|WilliamJE}} and to all those participating in this needless discussion. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 03:42, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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